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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a podcast journey through the shadowy streets and twisted tales of a place where sin lurks around every corner, it's time to step into the gritty, neon drenched world of Sin City. Join us as we traverse the dark alleyways and meet the intriguing characters that populate this monochromatic nightmare. From the hard boiled detectives to the femme Patels, sin City's denizens are as complex as they are captivating. Whether you're a diehard fan or discovering Sin City for the first time, this podcast is your passport to the seedy underbelly of Basin City. We promise you a journey through the darkest corners of film noir unveiled, where every frame tells a story and every shadow hides a secret. Welcome to the darkness. Welcome to Sin City. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the podcast Retro Life for you. My name is Chris Adams, host of the show, and as always, my faithful companion in retro crime.

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There you go. Yeah.

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Travis Rollins.

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I got to tell you, Chris, that there's one damn fine coat you're wearing.

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If only I was wearing a coat, though.

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I know, right? It's too hot to wear no coat, man.

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I can take my sporting the Macho Man Show shirt this week. Obviously the people can't see it, but.

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Travis yeah, let me tell you something, brother. There's a nice coat, jacket, T shirt.

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How's your week been?

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It was pretty good, man. Working a lot, and then went out to dinner with my dad and his wife Saturday last night, and then went and had some in the midst. Ice cream. I think I told you about where they make the ice cream with the nitrous oxide.

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Yeah, you told me about it. I'm going to tell you something that you guys don't know unless you follow Travis on Facebook. And I got to tell them. I don't appreciate you putting all that good food up there like that, man, that I can't have or taste any of. I don't care for no shrimp and grits or anything, man. But the rest of that stuff I was about to jump on. I'm about to jump to that screen, get some of it.

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If I could have my shrimp and grits, you make them right? You got to float your grits, wash your grits off, and then float them to get all the kernels and seed, not seeds, but get all the kernels and chaff off of it, and then, daggum. I made real country ham, not this ham with a bone in it that people put brown sugar on. That's good and salty and take a half cup of coffee, make some red eye gravy, good fresh collards.

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I told you everything but the shrimp. I'm not big on shrimp, man, so everything but the shrimp and grits look good to me.

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I threw down on it tonight, man. I'm trying to tell you, I haven't been in the kitchen in a while, and I do enjoy the cooking all that beeping you was asking me about a while ago. I got me a tens machine too. This little dude right here. Yeah, the sonic rocket. Hempvana rocket. Watch his hand right here. You all can't see it on TV either, but I get this thing going. Look at that thumb moving wherever you put it. But it's a little tens machine. I've been having a lot of issues with my finger. You can crank that bad boy up there. We go about eight and it'll pull your hand up.

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Oh, I see.

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Things. Awesome. How was your week, brother?

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It's been good. Full of work as usual. But I mean, it's been good. Got a lot of side stuff done around the house and everything. Got some planning done for some podcasts, some future stuff working on, trying to get some blogs out as well. Something I'd like to do a little bit more of along with this is put some blog posts out. And I would like to work on the newsletter a little bit too, but I'm going to wait till we get some more followers on that newsletter. So anybody out there wants to be a part of that and get some fun stuff in your mailbox to read and look at. Make sure you go to the website and sign up for the newsletter there so you can be a part of it.

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There you go.

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Give me something to do in my spare time.

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Hey, you know what? What I like to do in my spare time?

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What do you like to do in your spare time?

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I like to revisit these movies that I have, or even ones that I haven't seen, I get to see for the first time. But I really enjoy revisiting the ones that I really am fond of.

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And would you be fond of the one that we rewatched and revisited for?

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Chris has taught me he felt like the first about hour of this movie that I got him back for watching that John Candy movie, Summer Vacation. Summer Rental movie is on my top, probably. Dude, I'd put this movie maybe not my top ten. I put this movie in my top 20. Well, my favorite movies, period, don't forget.

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For those who don't know what you're talking about, though, I think it was what, three weeks back, wasn't it? Two weeks. Three weeks back. We did summer rental. I told you. You said, what is Summer rental? I said, it's a John Candy comedy from the 80s, man. You can't go wrong with Candy. So you go back and watch it. And I got a text message from him and said, dude, you know, I'm a good friend because I sat through all that.

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Like, I love John Kennedy, man. But that one, at times it was kind of hard to get through.

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And I felt the same way today. I texted him and I said, OK, I got you. That was good. Payback for summer rental. I get it.

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I feel like if we ever going to get a good bit of feedback, this will be the first show where it starts, too, because I think that a lot of people are going to be like, wow, I think they're going to be mind blown when you drop the name. Or when will they see the name? When they click on the podcast.

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Yes. So go ahead and jump into it here. Sin City is what we're talking about this week.

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Frank Miller's graphic novel: 2005

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Believe was released date, wasn't it? Okay. And yeah, I believe so. What? Robert Rodriguez is one of the directors and he had Quentin Tarantino as a guest director on it, too, I've seen.

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Yes, correct. And they returned as well for the second one, too, which wasn't I didn't think is good.

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I want to tell you the reason why I'm not a fan of Mean. It's not the worst movie I've ever seen. Let me say that. It also was not the best movie that I had ever seen. So the reason why I'm not big on it is the same reason why I'm not big on the current DC movies they put out. I don't like the dark feel for a movie. And Sin City obviously has a very dark feel to it. It's black and white and you got some color thrown in here and there. I don't really understand the concept. They use too much. It's called what a neo noir, they.

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has to be between what is it,: 1930

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They kind of filmed it in favor of the way the book was done, too. It says keeping. Yeah, 100%.

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They were so loyal to the book with this, even the story and everything. I grew up on these novels. I haven't read every single one of them, but I read a good many of them now.

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I can't remember, was it three stories in one or four stories?

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It's pieces of about four or five of them. Three of the stories are actual entire comic book or graphic novels, installments. But like the part with before the before the title comes across the screen, the graphic that says Sin City, that part with Josh Hartnett on the balcony, I think, is its own story unto itself, too. And that ties in. But they didn't really come back through and give you more of that particular part. But I believe A Dame to Kill For is where they go back, and that part of the story kind of ties back in.

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Okay, so let me get your input on this then. I know this is because this is a movie that you really are into and you like a lot.

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I love it. And all the reasons for y'all listening, all the reasons that Chris just said that he couldn't get into it are the reasons that I love it, among others.

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This is where we differ on some things, because there are some things that I like a lot that Travis doesn't necessarily get into as much, and then vice versa, obviously. So, I mean, this is something that's well known, but it doesn't mean that I can't watch it and try to have an appreciation for it in some sort. And after I watched the entire thing, I kind of look back on it now and I'm like, okay, well, that was kind of cool. And that part was kind of cool, so it wasn't like a complete loss to me or anything. It's just that it took me a good minute to get into that.

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And the way that Marv and and oh, what was my very first guy's name? The one that Clive Owen played. Dwight the way that Marv Hardigan and Dwight kind of narrate the whole thing is kind of funky, too, but that lends as well to the old detective style. Detective. She was angel. She come walking into my office with the sweat glistening off of her, you know what I'm saying?

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And that was one of the things I couldn't get into, was that part the character, Marv, he's talking about, quote unquote, dames. Dames are good and good for this and blah, blah, blah. It's just the whole narrating, like, it's an old 30s detective thing. I couldn't get into that part.

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An old Goldie him talking about Goldie, right? She smelled like a woman.

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These are these stories all separate stories at separate times? Are they happening all at one point? And they kind of culminate together in different places? Because you do see Hardigan go into the bar, and Marv is at the bar, and he's with Benicio Del Torio's character that was the cop, Jackie Boy. Jackie Boy. He's with him at the bar. So, I mean, is this all this happening in real time? But there are three separate things going on that aren't related?

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Well, it kind of happens sort of like Pulp Fiction and with it being the anthology style storytelling. So an anthology is where you have separate stories that tie back into each. Um, and it's all going on at the same time with the same characters, showing how they're you know, like, Dwight was sitting over there and what was her name? Brittany Murphy's character. Shelly Shelley. She came walking over, she brought Marv, got marv his drink and then came walking over and talked to Dwight. So that obviously was right before they got to the you go back to the beginning of the movie. That's right before all that happened, where I imagine they went home together and then Jackie showed up at her place after being out drinking. And then all the stuff started happening with Hardigan and Nancy. But then it goes back and shows you to where Nancy was. So the stuff that happened like, eight years ago and then fast forward back around. So with Nancy grown and where they were going after for powers booths. Senator Rourke's.

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Kid Rourke. That's what it was.

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Yeah, rourke. So they're going after Rourke. And during that time that's happening at the same time where I get names mixed up, where Dwight goes back to Old Town. All the stuff happened with Shelly, and he started chasing Jackie back to Old Town. And then the stuff with all the girls, the dames, the prostitutes. Yeah. So all that stuff's all going on at the same time, just showing you different pieces of.

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Mean that's after I got about an hour into it, I was able to kind of follow it a little bit more and kind of enjoy it a little bit more. But of course, based off of a graphic novel comic, are these people supposed to be a little bit just not 100% human, like me and you as a detective? Because Marv is disfigured or something to begin with.

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Right? Let me ask you a question real like, would you notice that that was Mickey Rourke? If you didn't know? Or did you know that, would you know that.

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I assumed that was Mickey Rourke's character when I saw him because I didn't see anybody else that would resemble or that could I hadn't seen Mickey Rourke yet, and I thought, well, maybe it's him and they've done something to him because of the character he's playing or something. But I did not look it up to see if that was him or not. It was confirmed later on for me, but I didn't know for just I assumed it was him.

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I think some of them it's fantastical, and some of them may have mutations or something like that because, like, Michael Clark Duncan as not, he was the leader of the gangs. Remember, the gangs were coming back in, right? And he looked like he was about to crush Gail's Head. Gail's my favorite character in this movie, by the way. I'm in love with Rosario Dawson. But he had that weird golden eye, and he was like super duper strong, and Marv's crazy tough. And then Rourke's kid. And remember, he turned yellow through all the know the scientists trying to piece him back together. Oh, and then you had oh, man, you have Frodo Baggins.

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All right, so let's take a time out. I'm going to read down this list of names that was in the movie just so people go know.

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It is a list, too.

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I mean, it's a list of people. I'd ask Travis who wasn't in the movie, it seemed like. But we've got Mickey Rourke. We got Clive Owen, Bruce Willis, jessica Alba, devin Aoki. Alexis Bladdell.

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So for aoki was little. She's been in some other movies. If you've watched anyway, people didn't know would know her. She's been in some other Fast and Furious.

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She has fast and furious too. And she was in that Dead or Alive as well as one of the girls from the movie. From the game. I mean, yes, but Powers Booth is in it. Let's see. Jude Cicearella. I'm sorry, how do you say his name? Ciculella. Ciceulella.

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I think it's cicoli.

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I don't know.

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Cecilita who knows?

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Rosario Dawson? Yeah, you mentioned Rosario Dawson. Benicio del toro. Jason Douglas is a hitman in it. Tommy Flanagan. Michael Clark Duncan.

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Jason Douglas is usually he's the Irish guy. What was the show he was on? Wasn't he in Sons of Anarchy?

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I've never watched the show, I can't tell you.

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I think he was.

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But there's so many names in this thing, man. I mean, it's loaded.

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Yeah, it does. There's tons. Jamie King.

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I forgot about Rutger Howard being in it. Gina Carano, I think, is in it too, isn't she?

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She may be. I don't remember picking her out. She may. Well, and then you got Elijah Wood. And I said her name earlier. Brittany Murphy.

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Brittany Murphy, too. I forgot about her. Josh Hartnett at the beginning.

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Yeah. And, you know, this is one of the few times that I saw Brittany Murphy in a movie that I was like, okay. I'm kind of in love with her too. You know, everybody used to be crazy about her right before she passed. I was always like, I don't know, man.

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Brittany just she was really starting to come into her own before she passed away. She was starting, at that point, getting a lot more offers and better movies and stuff.

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Right. She had one that I want to see. I think it's called Ramen something. We talk about it off air, but where she goes out to Asia and starts learning how to make Ramen or something. This is like a super cool movie. It might be a chick flick, I don't know. We'll go back to your favorite movie, though. It can be one of my guilty pleasures.

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Nick Stahl was in it as well. That's another name.

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Nick Stahl.

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He's the one that played yeah, yeah.

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There we go. I was trying to remember that he what was he? Some he's been in a couple of scary in was it the faculty?

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Yeah, I think he was in the faculty, but I can't place him outside of that, I don't believe.

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Yeah.

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And I might be wrong on Gina Carano. I'm not seeing her name in here. Maybe I'm thinking of somebody else. I saw the name fly across the screen for so anyway, like I said, so many names it's hard to keep up with all of them and it's not like all of them were stars of the movie either. There's bit parts they have in there.

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They'Re just in it just to see them. Yeah, it's crazy slap full of people.

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What was your favorite story within the movie? Which one did you follow? Did you like following the most hard one?

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I'm going to say marv. I thought Marv was probably marv would have to be my favorite. It felt like Marv is who you spent the most time center in the center of it and there's another thing, too, about the movie that is cool to me. I was actually reading the other day that Miller and Rodriguez picked us out to where the three stories that they put together were representative of an adolescent journey. Dwight shows him I forgot how they laid it out. This would be so cool to have on the show to explain this. But they laid it out like Marv was the kid. He's just going on impulse and response and what he wants and this action gets this result. So he represents the full on adolescence, childhood and teenager type thing. And then Dwight represents the grown up mid thirty s. Forty s, I guess trying to do the right thing and be a good man. Just trying in his way in sin City's way, to be a responsible adult, be a little more thoughtful about and then Bruce Willis's Hardigan represents the grizzled old man who had taken in this life in sin City and is just holding on to a piece know something good in his marv. Which marv? Dwight and Hardigan were all three doing. Because dwight was a murderer who had plastic surgery. Marv was in love with Goldie because Goldie was the only one that ever paid him any. That I wish I could find that article or remember where I saw it because that's just a real cool read about how they interpreted it into that reflection on humanity. Really.

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I was thinking about this. If I had to pick the one that I followed the most was probably going to, um the one with Clive Owen. What was his name? Dwight.

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Dwight, yeah.

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Where he'd been with Brittany Murphy's character. And he took off after Benicio del Toro. Jackie Boy took off after him. Ended up following him to Old Town.

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Dude, was it not hilarious in the car after he done cut after know about cut his neck. So he's getting rid of the body. So he's driving down the road and he lights up the cigarette, and Benicio Toro is like as his head flops back. And yeah, I could see them all being reflections of one another too, because Dwight was hallucinating and then marvel's talking about being off of his medicine and not knowing if he's doing the right thing.

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What was bringing on the hallucination of Jackie Boy? Talking to him, though. Was it just the fact of him, what he had just gone through, basically, to cut up the bodies, basically, to fit him in the car?

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Yeah, because they can go fit in the trunk because he has to sit.

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Up there with him looking the way he looks, like that piece of that gun backfired stuck in his forehead.

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It was so funny when he slammed on the brakes and knocked him forward into the dash. So it I don't I'm not real that I don't recall that it even explained that as far as Dwight was concerned. I figured it was I took it or just assumed it was just because he was kind of psychotic in the first place with him. Because he talked about the things that he went through being a killer and a murderer and this and that. So I'm not real, remember?

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So jump back to Marv for a minute for me. Marv gets all kind of stuff done to, right? I mean, at one point and gets peppered with bullets. Mean, that should be the end of Marv. He should be dead. But yet they take him through a surgery. I guess they take care of all of that now. He's going to jail. He's going to prison or whatever. He's going to the electric chair.

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Yeah.

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So all these things that happened to him, nothing killed him at that point. And then he goes through the first run of the electric chair and he's.

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Like, that all you got?

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Is that all you got? They hit him a second time with it. That's why I asked the question earlier. Was he supposed to be like, 100% human like us? Or is there something abnormal about him to where his character is taking this type of punishment and damage and not dying from it? Basically, damn.

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They explained it in the graphic novel, but it's been so long ago. Like, I read that in the 90s. It's been so long that I don't really recall. Like I said, if you go over to Frodo Baggins's character, elijah woods character in the movie with his fingernails and how know, marv hacked him apart and he didn't make a sound.

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It took me a minute to figure out that was him, too. It didn't sit with me being Elijah Wood at first.

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Yeah. Kind of weird, because when it zooms in on his face, it almost looks like they distorted his face or something a little bit. Like his cheeks look wider or something.

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It does. And like Benicio del Toro looked a little different because of makeup purposes and everything they had on him.

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Yeah, he looked very.

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I i credited it all toward the type of the way they shot the movie, is what I gave it credit for. That's why I said they were looking different in my sure.

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For sure. I think the only people that really look like themselves would be the women in powers booth. Well, Bruce Willis, but he had that super cool scar across his and see, that's another thing, too, that I love. The visuals, the art style to it, the way they had stuff whited out and then white against black. Because it did. I just said that the new spiderman movie across the spiderverse was maybe even out of the live actions might be my favorite spider man movie ever. And the reason for it was is because it looks so much visually, it looks so much like reading the comic and that's my comics are my heart, man. That was where I found my first escape from reality truly is in comic books. So the fact that this looks so much like the graphic novel and that movie looks so much like the comic book, like, it looks like those books in motion. And that's one of the reasons that I love it so much.

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Well, I love a good comic book movie, you know what I mean? Just like the next guy does, I guess. Some of them I just can't get into as much. And I think the difference is one like, say, spider man, as you mentioned a moment ago, actual comic book, sin City graphic novel.

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Right.

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Not quite the same as a comic, but I mean, how would you describe graphic novel? More of an adult version of a comic book.

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Yeah. So a graphic novel, you can take a comic book and turn it into.

:: 26:26

A graphic because spawn was a graphic novel at one point, wasn't it?

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I don't remember spawn being classified as one. Spawn was tod Mcferlane's kind of pet project thing. And who was it published by? Was it image comics or Max comics?

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I really can't remember. I'm trying to think of ones that were graphic novels. I know the Walking dead comes to mind.

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Yeah, absolutely. This one was the one that kind of started the wave of graphic novels. Yeah, graphic novel. Usually we would think of it as being a little more gritty, but normally it's just a bigger, thicker comic book. They call it a graphic novel because of the graphics. So it's a longer, more complete story.

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Yeah.

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So where a comic book is never ending, you'll have a story from beginning to end wrapping up that particular storyline in a graphic novel.

:: 27:31

All right, well, I wonder I'm going to take a quick look here because I'm curious since this is my first time seeing it.

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Yeah.

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I want to know how well this movie done at the box office and everything. Yeah, I know it had a big fan following and all. And I want to know what it took to make this too. I mean, budget $40 million estimated.

:: 27:55

Well, it's a lot of CGI, but I still feel like that might be a little 40 million.

:: 27:59

Well, it's estimated it could be less. Could be more.

:: 28:03

Yeah, I felt like it might be a little bit more.

:: 28:06

So it grossed worldwide $158,733,820. So it did do some decent money there at the box office. But I would think with all those names in it, it's going to make some money because people are going to want to go just to see the people they like in it, to see what their role was in it and.

:: 28:24

How well they know that's. Like, what was the movie that kept the Watchmen? The watchman, I think, did very well. And I wasn't a huge fan of the watchman. I did like parts of it.

:: 28:38

Right. Does Sin City in any way remind you of Kill Bill? Not in the way it's filmed, but the feel of the movie, like the kind of storytelling and directing and everything. I know that Tarantino, for me, it.

:: 28:57

Would be closer to either like a Pulp Fiction or a Reservoir Dogs than it would be a Kill Bill. But that's because of the story with it being kind of so many things going on at once. So even though Kill Bill isn't completely linear, it's still always about her character, uma, Thurman's character. Whereas you take Reservoir Dogs or you grab a hold of Pulp Fiction or something and you've got it kind of pieced together and kind of jumping around a little bit. I think they feel more like Sin City, which that's Quentin Tarantino's touch. Quentin Tarantino's touch ain't for everybody either.

:: 29:42

No, it's not. He's got a very certain style he goes with for hmm.

:: 29:49

I think the only normal, or what you would consider normal movie that he's probably really ever that I can think of, that he full on. It's full on. His baby would be the hateful eight, which this wasn't his baby either. I feel like he just kind of lended to the storytelling of it.

:: 30:08

I'm looking at something right here, and I was telling you, one of the things I didn't like about it was the style of filming the black and white look to it and things of that nature. The way they're describing it here is the movie has a wonderful black, white and sepia tone with cut out reds and bright colors.

:: 30:23

Yeah.

:: 30:24

And then everything else is just black and white. It's like looking at pictures that you've seen in books where they take a black and white picture, but they'll highlight the red lips on a woman or something, or the red car, and the picture and everything else is black and white. Like you just said, color splash. I thought in pictures it was kind of cool, but for some reason I can't get into it in the movie.

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Right.

:: 30:49

The style of it kind of just throws me off and just makes it tougher for me.

:: 30:53

And you said you've never seen Schindler's List either. Correct?

:: 30:55

I have not, no.

:: 30:57

Yeah. And see, they shot not with the color splash, but it's a new movie in black. Well, it's not new anymore. But it was new in black and white too, you know what mean? So for me, when I first watched Schindler's List, I was, eh, this movie's kind of weird. The black and white kind of threw in. I've gotten to where I like stuff like that. There's one with Doggone Johnny Depp that I enjoyed where he is not the Lone Ranger, but where he did like some kind of Western with him in it. I can't remember the name of it.

:: 31:33

I'm not sure that there's another one.

:: 31:35

Called God's Gun that I really liked.

:: 31:38

Yeah, I'm not sure of what that would be with Johnny Depp. The only thing I can think of is him playing Tonto when it comes to a western type movie, too, man. Did you know the swords used by Mijo in this movie are the same ones used by some of the Crazy 88 and Kill Bill Volume One?

:: 31:58

That is so cool.

:: 32:00

It says Tarantino had been keeping them in the back of his garage.

:: 32:05

Dead Man, and it was made in: 1995

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Well, we'll check it out and see.

:: 32:16

Heck yeah.

:: 32:17

See if we can't find it somewhere. I'm sure it's available somewhere.

:: 32:21

Like it I saw it, dog on it. I saw an oops. Oh, I remember it. I caught this one and I was going to see if you caught it. I saw an oops with Marv. So remember when Marv went to the farm and he got knocked out and then he put him down in the bottom in the cellar or whatever with the girl that was with his parole officer. And it's only one shot that it happens in, though, where the dude scratched him across the face. It's on the opposite side. I wondered if they reversed the film cell right there and it got it in and then it went back to you know what I'm saying? Like how with film you can see it reversed or if you cut and splice, you can put it in backwards accidentally.

:: 33:06

I did not catch it, though. No.

:: 33:08

Yeah, there's one moment where it's on the left side instead of the.

:: 33:13

So, you know, we were talking know he only filmed or he only directed one scene in the movie.

:: 33:21

Yeah.

:: 33:22

Everything else was Rodriguez. But can you pick which scene if you were to think of one throughout the movie or do you know this already, which scene you did? I don't know it so think of something that happened throughout the movie that just feels Tarantino like to you. What would you pick?

:: 33:43

I would probably pick one of the pick I would probably pick either a death or the scene with the guy was just talking about that.

:: 33:53

Elijah Wood plays the guest. Tarantino directed the scene involving Dwight and jackie Boy in the front of the car before Dwight's pulled over by the police officer.

:: 34:03

Boom. That's one of my favorite moments in the film, too. Yeah, the one where he's talking back and forth and he's got the neck cut open. So every time his neck goes back, he goes to a whisper. Yeah, that's that's that feels tarantino. It's funny, too, though, how that still rolls right in with the style, though. But, I mean, they worked together, too, I imagine, on the Grindhouse films, too, because Rodriguez worked on the stuff. That was three movies that they were all messing with.

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So when it comes down to I'm not really the biggest fan, like Robert Rodriguez movies and Tarantino stuff. I did like dust till dawn. I'll throw that out there. But that's probably the main one that I like that they did. And I watched Pulp Fiction, which I think was just Tarantino then, wasn't Rodriguez, was it?

:: 34:53

No, I think that was just so.

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I mean, I watched that as well. Now. When Pulp Fiction came out, I had trouble getting in it as well, the way it flashed back all the time. But after trying to sit through it a couple of times, it finally started making more sense to me, and I kind of liked it more at that point. That's another one of those movies with multiple stars in it.

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Yeah.

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Kind of like this one, too.

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Well, that's like Jackie Brown. He did Jackie Brown. It's a throwback, actually. I think Jackie Brown is a sequel to something else, but I can't remember what it was. But, yeah. Reservoir Dogs jackie Brown Dust Till Dawn natural Born Killers kill Bill Dagham Grindhouse Death Proof. He did. Inglourious bastards. Which was? We killed Nancy's. Remember?

:: 35:38

Okay, I didn't watch that one, either. What? I didn't. But I think it's got to do because of the style of the movie that it is. Those are the kind of movies he loves to do that I just can't get into so much.

:: 35:50

Did you watch Django?

:: 35:53

Bits and pieces.

:: 35:54

How about the Hateful Eight?

:: 35:57

Once again? Hold on. Hateful Eight. What was hateful. Eight again.

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Hateful eight is the semi Western.

:: 36:05

No, I did not. I'm trying to figure if that was the one, or the one I watched I was thinking of was the remake of The Magnificent Seven. And I liked it. But I didn't see Hateful Eight.

:: 36:14

No, I enjoyed that one, too, by the way, the remake of The Magnificent Seven. Yeah, hateful Eight is great, too. Yeah. Tarantino is not for everybody, man. In Glorious Bastards, though, a lot of people dug that one. That one was so funny.

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I don't know. Just different styles, I guess.

:: 36:31

Yeah, 100%. You know who we need to ask who's? Like, whether or not they like this movie?

:: 36:38

Who's that?

:: 36:39

I just wonder I wonder if Timmy likes this movie.

:: 36:42

I don't know. That's a good lead up, though, because I was about to tell you. We're at that point in time. We got to get our mid roll in here. So for those of you who are with us right now, bear with us just a moment while we go ahead and get good old Timmy in here.

:: 36:59

There you go. Get old Timmy fired up.

:: 37:03

And here we go. Hey, everybody. I hope you're enjoying the show today, but bear with me just one moment while I get a quick word in from a good friend of the show of ours, Tim at 80s Flick Flashback.

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e many movies released in the: 1980

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Go home.

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Go.

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It never gets told.

:: 38:25

Heck yeah.

:: 38:27

Although Tim and I were talking earlier about redoing our commercials we have for the shows. I'm going to redo the one for this one. I think he's going to make a new one for his as well. Yeah, so we may have a new one here soon. I'm trying to get some other people to fresh, man. I know. I'm saying I'm trying to get some more people to step up and make some little trailers for their shows that we can play on here for them and alternate each week who we put on each episode. Or maybe throw one out at the beginning and one in the middle or one in the middle, one at the end, something. Just get some names for some people out there and bring some attention.

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Right.

:: 39:04

So anything you got for us yourself as far as I know, you mentioned earlier you saw an Oops thing that happened in there. Do you have any fun trivia facts about the movie or anything that stands out to you that you want to talk about?

:: 39:19

Brittany Murphy filmed all of her scenes in one day, which is pretty cool being in all three stories here and there. Well, I think that's pretty neat.

:: 39:32

I seen something earlier because of the way the movie was shot that Mickey Rourke and Elijah Wood never met until the movie was actually.

:: 39:43

Yeah, they never actually and if you pay close attention, you can see that goof. So when Nancy's dancing, she's wearing gloves. And then she ain't wearing gloves. Let's see. He keeps swapping hands when he's talking to the priest with the gun. Yes.

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It's always little things, isn't it?

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Originally on the cop car and Smokey and the Bandit.

:: 40:19

Originally, Robert Rodriguez didn't plan for Benicio del Toro to wear makeup. Del Toro insisted on it. And Tarantino later commented that the makeup being so good that people actually forgot that that's not what Benicio del Toro looked like.

:: 40:38

No kidding. Like, he looks so different. Dude, when I first started watching rewatching it, I was like, man, are you kidding me? Which I didn't even need to rewatch it to remember a lot of things about it. But there was a couple of little things that I enjoyed, like I had forgotten about. You know what mean? Uh, but yeah, like Benicio del Toro not looking like himself at like you could tell it was him. But if you didn't know, you wouldn't know.

:: 41:05

Right? And then speaking of special ways that these guys do their filming and everything, the scene in which Marv climbs out of the manhole and staggers up against a yeah. Was acted out in reverse and then shown forward to give an otherworldly appearance to Marv. That weird.

:: 41:23

I like that. That's what I'm saying. I love everything about this movie. I could fanboy out nonstop, too. The casting is got, like you said, rosario Dawson, Brittany Murphy. And then I think at the time when this came out, jessica Alba was as big as she ever was. She was probably half the sale of young men going to see this movie on a stripper.

:: 41:52

Right? Right.

:: 41:55

Oh, and the doc don't underestimate the doc. Not the doc. She wasn't his doctor, the parole officer. She was awesome.

:: 42:03

Right. Now, before we go, because we're going to go and wrap up in just a minute, but I want to get something out of you real quick here. But the Josh Hartnett scene, the beginning of it, am I missing something? I don't remember that carrying forward any further into the movie at that point.

:: 42:21

I don't either. And it seemed to me like I remembered it having something to do where it wrapped back around to the end. But I didn't see it. Not last night, but I didn't see it when I rewatched it this time. I think that that story picks back up in A Dame to Kill For.

:: 42:38

I am looking at right here, it says, the customer is always right.

:: 42:42

Or that was actually Dwight before he got his surgery.

:: 42:50

Okay. Now, I don't know, but it says here, the customer is always right. Sequence at the beginning of the movie was actually filmed before Frank Miller had completely agreed to let Robert Rodriguez make the movie. Josh Hartnett and Marley Shelton came in and filmed their scenes in one day in front of a green screen in order to show miller that it could be done in a way that complemented the graphic novels.

:: 43:13

Right.

:: 43:14

So it could be that that was just done for that and tossed in as the beginning of the movie, and then it leads into the actual stories they're doing. I guess.

:: 43:23

Yeah. That's all I can watched when I watched it, too, I watched the re edit of it with the extra footage or yeah. And I remember when I saw it in the movies, I remember it opening with that part. And then it went into Brittany Murphy's part with Shelley. And like, that was at the very beginning, the part with Josh Hartnett. And then the credits came out. The graphic with Sin City show, and then it went into the movie is how I originally recall it. I could be mean.

:: 44:01

That's definitely something. Honestly, this is why I'm getting your input on a lot of this, because I know you definitely know a lot more about this movie than I do. I've watched it for the first time today. The thoughts you got for me are like a real first time reaction from something.

:: 44:15

I was happy about that one. I can't wait to do the 300. If you hate this, you're probably going to hate it, too. And people are like, that's one of the greatest. Half the men in the world are like, no, that's the most manliest greatest movie ever made.

:: 44:28

I mean, I see it looks like it has a dark feel to it as well in the filming, but I don't know. Maybe because of the type of battles they have in it, I might get more into it.

:: 44:38

I don't know.

:: 44:39

Does it give you a Lord of the Rings, army versus army fight kind of feel?

:: 44:44

Definitely. It definitely more macho. Like, dude, it's so awesome. The fight scenes are incredible.

:: 44:51

I might get into that.

:: 44:53

It's got Magneto in it, too. And Magneto's part is just so good. What's his name? Michael Fastbaum. Yeah, Fastbaum plays in it, too. He's real good.

:: 45:05

All right, well, we're going to go ahead and start wrapping things up here.

:: 45:08

Yeah.

:: 45:09

So out of ten being the best, what are you going to give Sin City this week for what it is?

:: 45:17

A ten?

:: 45:17

Yeah. You're going to go for it? It's a ten movie for you all around.

:: 45:23

Yeah, absolutely. 100%. Because of its adhering to the source material. So it adheres to the source material. It stays true to it. It translates it perfectly. Like, I've never seen a literary work brought to screen more accurately for what it is. I'll give it a ten. All right. How about you for me? Give it a four and a half.

:: 45:58

You know what? I'm not going to be that cruel. I'm not going to be that cruel to a man at all for the star power that it's got in it just for the fact of me reading how true it stayed to the graphic novel and didn't stray far from it. And the storytelling that they went through the whole thing with it. Granted, I might not like the way it was filmed. I don't like the dark appeal to it and things like that. And I'm not real big on the old school detective. The dame walked in the room and the light suddenly went dim. I'm not big on all that, but, I mean, if you take everything else into consideration, I will give it a good seven, seven and a half.

:: 46:45

Oh, man, I love that. I gotta give see, that's why I love you, Chris. Yeah. I gotta give you respect for that, man, for appreciating what it is.

:: 46:55

You know what I mean? You can't hate on something just because of the dark feel of the filming of it. So I'm not going to go that way with it for what it is. Overall, it wasn't too bad of a movie.

:: 47:08

Heck, yeah.

:: 47:09

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:: 48:39

Heck, yeah.

:: 48:41

Travis, Catherine, you want to leave us with this week?

:: 48:44

Yeah, man. Movies like this have taught me that getting in trouble, it doesn't matter if it's the police or if it's somebody looking for revenge, murdering people ain't really what gets you in trouble. It's not properly disposing of the bodies.

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